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Posted: Apr 25 2018, 07:34 PM
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Member No.: 79
Joined: 7-August 13
Rep: 8 pts
"No-one is disputing that white South African farmers are being murdered, it's just the number that comes into dispute."
The numbers you are using are not accurate Bill - the ABC is not able to get 'accurate numbers' you will either accept the fact or will not. The SA police did not record any of the attacks and murders on farms prior to 1997, and from then numbers are sketchy.
"So Charles......remind me again of what it actually is that we are supposed to be discussing here. It's certainly not 'white genocide'."
According to Genocide Watch white genocide in SA is at stage 6 'polorization', and according to Genocide Watch hate crimes fall short of genocide, so the killings will keep happening.
Genocide Watch became quite concerned about the escalation of racism in South Africa when Julius Malema was still President of the African National Congress Youth League. We even raised the danger level from Polarization to Preparation. We returned it to Polarization after the ANC expelled Malema and kicked him out of the Presidency of the ANC Youth League. We remain concerned about his new EFF party, and remain convinced that his ideology is “Marxist” and “racist.” The criminals who are inspired to commit hate crimes by Malema’s racist incitement may or may not be Marxists. But their desecrations of bodies are definite signs that the murders are racist hate crimes.
67 people were murdered on South African farms in 2014. The majority of the victims were white. Since the government will not release statistics about the race of the victims, we have had to rely on AfriForum for this figure. We believe it to be accurate, since every victim has been named in AfriForum’s calculations.
One of the false uses of Genocide Watch’s model for genocide prediction is the claim by some South Africans, racists in the United States (like the mass killer in Charleston and David Duke), and a few South African expatriates, that South Africa is undergoing a “white genocide.” Genocide Watch has never said “white genocide” is underway in South Africa and in fact South Africa is not even close to stage nine, which would legally be called genocide. Hate crimes fall short of genocide.
Hate crimes fall short of genocide.
Genocide Watch’s Dr. Gregory H. Stanton Press Release from South Africa.
5 December 2014
For immediate release
Dr. Greg Stanton of Genocide Watch Warns of Crime in South Africa
At a press conference at the Transvaal Agricultural Union today, Dr. Gregory Stanton, Founding President of Genocide Watch, warned that early warnings of genocide are still deep in South African society, though genocide has not begun.
Dr. Stanton was deeply involved in the Civil Rights Movement in the United States, worked against Apartheid with the United Democratic Front in 1989 – 1990 as a Fulbright Professor of Law at the University of Swaziland, and was the author of the UN Resolutions that created the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in 1994. He was also the legal advisor to the government of Cambodia and drafted the rules for the Khmer Rouge Tribunal. He founded Genocide Watch and the International Alliance to End Genocide in 1999. The Alliance now has fifty member organizations in 24 countries.
Genocide Watch was the first international human rights organization to protest the murders and hate crimes committed against farmers in South Africa. Since his research trip in July 2012, Dr. Stanton said that hate crimes against Afrikaner farmers have not declined. The murder rate of the whole South African population remains at over 31 per 100,000. The murder rate of farmers, including Afrikaner farmers, is four times as high. The Institute of Security Studies estimated the farm murder rate at 120 per 100,000 in 2013, and the Transvaal Agricultural Union, using verified names of victims, placed the figure at 130 per 100,000 in 2013, one of the highest murder rates in the world.
Since 2007, the South African government has denied and covered up the crisis by not releasing any breakdown of how murders are distributed among ethnic groups in South Africa. American and European governments have remained silent about the problem, reinforcing the campaign of denial.
Several years ago the Marxist racist, Julius Malema, then President of the African National Congress Youth League, revived the singing of the “Shoot the Farmer, Kill the Boer” song, once a revolutionary song, but now an incitement to commit genocide. A South African judge declared that singing of the song is a hate crime and prohibited Malema from singing the “Kill the Boer” song. But then the South African President, Jacob Zuma, sang the song himself, in direct contempt for the judge’s ruling. Malema was later expelled from the ANC over an unrelated conflict with Zuma. He formed his own political party, the EFF, which has continued to promote a Marxist, racist agenda, and Malema was elected to Parliament. Jacob Zuma remains President of South Africa.
Dr. Stanton pointed out that Incitement to Commit Genocide is a crime under both international and South African law. He said that Malema should be put on trial for incitement to commit genocide and Zuma should be impeached, both for violating South African laws against incitement, and for massive corruption.
Dr. Stanton noted that recent studies of the correlation between corruption and atrocities committed by governments show that the relationship is direct. Once in power, corrupt governments cling to power because of the enormous wealth their officials amass. They then persecute, torture, and murder anyone who challenges their grip on power. That downward spiral has begun in South Africa, just as it did in Zimbabwe. In Zimbabwe it resulted in the Gukurahunde genocide against Joshua Nkomo’s Matabele people and Mugabe’s repression of the MDC.
The conviction rate has dropped from 32 percent ten years ago to about 22 percent today. This trend must be reversed. Police must be given education and training so they become competent and motivated crime fighters. An honest, educated, and dedicated police force is the strong arm of justice.
Private security companies should coordinate their systems, use infra-red, aerial and other advanced technology to detect criminals quickly and summon both armed private security companies and police to arrest criminals. Then their cases must be pressed until they are imprisoned.
Criminal gangs from other African countries should be deported.
The South African government must make stopping farm murders a priority. 30,000 commercial farmers supply most of South Africa’s food. South Africa cannot afford to lose their long experience in management. Training people once excluded from management will take several generations, not just a few years.
The first step is for the South African government to admit that farm murders are a serious threat not just to Afrikaner and white farmers, but to all South Africans, and make stopping these crimes a priority.
The second step is to arrest and convict or impeach corrupt political leaders.
The most important step is for South Africans of all ethnic groups to recognize that we are all members of the same race, the human race.
South Africans must reject the cynical manipulation of racial resentments by politicians like Julius Malema and his Marxist racist followers.
South Africa needs effective security for all of its people. Without security, democracy is impossible.
Featured Image: Bottom right picture of Julius MalemaCopyright 2014, Reuters
If I was a SA farmer I would want to get my family out of SA as quickly as possible.
Politicians and diapers should be changed frequently and all for the same reason.
~José Maria de Eça de Queiroz,
We live in a world in which politics has replaced philosophy. ~Martin L. Gross, A Call for Revolution, 1993
"Stupid people are like glow sticks: I wanna snap em and shake the shit outta them till the light comes on."
Posted: Apr 25 2018, 07:53 PM
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Member No.: 17
Joined: 17-January 12
Rep: 143 pts
So Charles......remind me again of what it actually is that we are supposed to be discussing here. It's certainly not 'white genocide'.
Are we discussing the difficulty that asylum seekers have in establishing their claims for asylum ?
If so, how is the 'plight of 'white farmers' from South Africa different to the plight of over one million Rohingyas who are facing actual genocide (murder, rape, dispossession etc.) in Myanmar ?
Is it because they are white ? Is it because they are Christian ?
How are the South African farmers different Charles ?
Nowhere have I suggested that the situation in South Africa is 'white genocide'. Those are your words not mine.
Where have I suggested that the plight of the Rohingyas should be ignored? You have mentioned this situation on numerous occasions, as has the media. I don't recall one word of dissent being expressed here. Yet as soon as the problems facing white South African farmers is raised then out comes the name calling, the branding, the denial and the total lack of compassion by you and your ilk.
I have never suggested that one group of refugees is different from another. It is you that raises the issue of colour and religion. It is you that is putting the South African farmers in a different category to other persecuted groups. Why? Is it because they are white? Is it because they are Christian?
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Winston Churchill
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