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Pool
 Posted: Jul 4 2018, 08:02 AM
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Australia and Electric Cars
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I saw a article in The Australian about electric cars and how in 50 years they will take over.
So I got to thinking well that would be a lot of reorganizing.

Reading up on electric cars, it seams the biggest advantage is that the owners unless going on a big trip , never have to goto a gas station again, just drive for the day then plug in at home and recharge the vehicle at night. Tesla have about 600km's of range
So most recharging will be at night and at off peak hours , solar panels wont work well there.
So I googled and worked this out http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

The estimated number of motor vehicles registered in Australia was 18.2 million.
These vehicles travelled an estimated total of 249,512 million kilometres in Australia, with an average 13,716 kilometres per vehicle.
Total fuel consumption by all road registered vehicles was 32,732 megalitres.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/9208.0/

ok that's 685,000,000 Km's a day done in Australia
The average EV uses .18 mwh for a Kilometre
Thats 123 GWH a day
It cost 100 million for the 135mwh Tesla Battery in SA
so 10 of them would be 1.35 Gwh and 1 billion dollars
1000 of them would be 135 gwh and cost 100 billion dollars.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/australia-s-largest-solar-plant-to-bui...

It looks Like solar panels r about 1 million per GWh in Aus atm
so lets be kind and say 5 hours a day average, so they need 25gwh of solar panels to power all of aussies vehicle's
That's 25 Billion
Add 10 Billion for incedentals
So at todays prices it would cost 135 Billion dollars to Power every Vehicle in Australia.
the panels will last 20 years the battery 10 years .

Ok Now lets look at Fuel not used
32,732 megalitres (thats a million) a year
so 32,732,000,000 litres a year
to make it easy say fuel is $1,50 a Litre
$49,098,000,000 a year is spend on fuel
49 Billion Dollars

So fuel over 10 years will be 490 Billion Dollars
Battery and solar will be 135 Billion Dollars.
and the solar panels will still be good for 10 years, and the batteries will still be usable just less capacity, all the buildings and site prep is done so only the cost of replacing the battery for the next 10 years
So over 10 years if australia goes fully Electric there will be a saving of 355 Billion dollars in fuel costs alone
Also once installed solar and battery wont go up in price for 10 years, do u think petrol will still be $1.5 in 10 years
The Biggist winner here will be Australia as Australia imports 95% of its fuel from overseas

So even if the materials to build if r from overseas, the labour will come from here and the 355 billions dollars will still be in Australian hands as savings to our population
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A interesting, well laid out post. Well done Pool.
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Good post Pool.

How will any government cope with the loss of fuel excise on 32,732,000,000 litres of fuel each year?

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Where do dead batteries and solar panels go to die Where will the power come to run this feel good thing
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QUOTE (charka @ Jul 4 2018, 10:08 AM)
Where do dead batteries and solar panels go to die Where will the power come to run this feel good thing

I'm not sure what u mean by where will the power come from...
The Sun also Wind , geo thermal , tides really any renewable source, I just used solar because I could find the price easy in Australia :).......
Lithium batteries r almost 100% recyclable,
Same as the panels, and a lot easier to replace than a huge power station building, the frames r mostly metal, so very easy to recycle :)
QUOTE (Charles @ Jul 4 2018, 09:52 AM)
Good post Pool.

How will any government cope with the loss of fuel excise on 32,732,000,000 litres of fuel each year?

Ohh I'm sure they will find a way :)
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If we use home solar -

If one puts in a Powerwall at home - 14KWh.

Wired magazine estimates household usage - 2KWh.

That's without recharging EV's.

14KWh gives 7 hours of electricity - night lasts longer.

If we use renewables as the greenies want -

Both solar and Wind need large amounts of CO2 emitting concrete.

Electricity was supposed to go down in price .

The Guardian says 70%, mid 2017, of households can be powered by renewables. 90% by the end of 2017. So it is not fossil fuelled power triggering a price rise.

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Did not know lithium batteries were recyclable
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They are just as dirty and harmful to recycle as original manufacture.

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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE (lee @ Jul 4 2018, 12:44 PM)
If we use home solar -

If one puts in a Powerwall at home - 14KWh.

Wired magazine estimates household usage - 2KWh.

That's without recharging EV's.

14KWh gives 7 hours of electricity - night lasts longer.

If we use renewables as the greenies want -

Both solar and Wind need large amounts of CO2 emitting concrete.

Electricity was supposed to go down in price .

The Guardian says 70%, mid 2017, of households can be powered by renewables. 90% by the end of 2017. So it is not fossil fuelled power triggering a price rise.

I think the average household in Aus only uses 17 kwh a day I know ive got panels and my useage is 12kwh a day still from my provider, 48kwh for a household is a lot maybe a pool or something :)
The only reason power is going up is greed... not renewables just look at other countries where renewable mix is higher and 2 or 3 times cheeper than here http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/tongue.gif
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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (lee @ Jul 4 2018, 06:03 PM)
They are just as dirty and harmful to recycle as original manufacture.

I cant find how dirty the manufacture of Lithium batteries is
Be interest to find out with Tesla's gigafactory as it the biggest manufacturer.
I cant imagine it being very bad being in Nevada
with Tesla every part of their business is under a microscope and if the haters could find a issue they would exploit it.
eg. no article about the shocking waste left over from the manufacture of lithium batteries anywhere.
It could be just my google skills... If u can find the waste produced from the manufacture of lithium batteries id be interested though.

The link below does describe how they r recycling them though.
https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/blog/teslas-closed-loop-battery-recycling-program
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