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 Posted: Jul 7 2018, 06:30 PM
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Self-styled Baptist pastor to be deported after 'harassing' worshippers

By Talissa Siganto and Laura Gartry

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Photo: Police confiscated Mr Robertson's camera after the confrontation at Darra mosque. (ABC News)

A self-styled Christian Baptist pastor from New Zealand accused of harassing worshippers at two Brisbane mosques earlier this week has had his visa cancelled and is facing deportation.

New Zealand national Logan Robertson, 31, and two others were charged on Friday after allegedly abusing community members at the Kuraby and Darra mosques on Wednesday and Thursday .

Mr Robertson is the self-proclaimed pastor of the Pillar Baptist Church which originated in New Zealand.

On Wednesday a group of up to six men including Mr Robertson were accused of entering the Kuraby mosque and harassing worshippers, including teenage boys, in the lead-up to 1:00pm prayers.

A teenage boy was allegedly verbally abused and called a terrorist.

The following day, there were heated scenes outside the Darra mosque, when activists from the Pillar Baptist Church confronted Islamic leaders.

When the activists were denied access into the mosque, a heated argument broke out between Mr Robertson and Ali Kadri from the Islamic Council of Queensland.

Mr Kadri asked: "I'm trying to talk to you in a nice manner, why are you responding in such an aggressive manner?"

Mr Robertson replied: "Because I hate the religion of Islam. I don't hate Muslims, I hate the religion."

Police intervened and forced the group to leave the property.

The Immigration Department reviewed Mr Robertson's case and the Australian Border Force cancelled his visa overnight and placed him into detention.

Minister for Home Affairs and Immigration Peter Dutton said he was "disturbed" by the allegations.

"I'm completely against people being vilified because of their religious belief," he said.

"I want to make it very clear to people who come to our country, that our country obviously embraces free speech but we don't tolerate hate speech and we don't tolerate people who are going to harass those people going about their business at a place of worship."

Pastor 'counselled' by authorities about behaviour prior to visit

Mr Dutton said Mr Robertson had been counselled about his behaviour prior to entering Australia.

"He was warned before he came into the country that he needed to abide by his conditions of the visa and that if he conducted himself outside of the conditions of the visa then he would be subject to cancellation," he said.

"It's unacceptable to anybody to act outside of the conditions of your visa particularly where people are given warnings or counselled before they come into our country," he said.

All three men were expected to face court next month on charges of public nuisance, entering a premises with intent and trespass.

Police said on Friday investigations into the two incidents were continuing and it was possible more charges could be laid.

Mr Kadri said he was glad the government acted "swiftly".

"The most important thing is that such kind of hatred is not in our community whether it's through the criminal justice system or through deportation that's number one," he said.

Mr Kadri said there was still panic within the Muslim community and that extra security measures would still be put in place.

"The last thing we want is somebody coming into a mosque and harming somebody or provoking someone ... We are worried and will take measures to ensure all mosques are safe and secure," he said.

Mr Kadri said it was "good and bad" the Immigration Department was aware of Mr Robertson's history.

"I was surprised authorities were aware of extremists like him in our community and nothing was done until he actually came in and did this in a mosque," he said.

"[It's] a good thing because I'm sure they must have kept an eye on his activities but a bad thing because he's been preaching for a long period of time."

What is the Pillar Baptist Church?

The Pillar Baptist Church opened at Goodna, west of Brisbane, within the past 12 months.

It is not affiliated with the mainstream Baptist denomination, including the Queensland Baptists or Australian Baptist Ministries.

The church has declared it is anti-abortion, anti-gay and anti-Islam.

Mr Robertson posts sermons on social media and has also released a "documentary" critical of the Mormon faith.

On the church's website, Mr Robertson describes his church as a New Testament Independent Fundamental Baptist Church.

"Our church is a friendly group of believers who have a strong desire for truthful biblical preaching, that isn't watered down or compromised," the website says.

In New Zealand, Mr Robertson sparked controversy by saying people in gay marriages should be shot, and that New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern should "get in the kitchen where women belong".

He was rebuked by Baptist Churches of New Zealand in 2014, who said he had never been affiliated with their denomination.

"The NZ Baptist churches have been demeaned by his vitriol, leaving many of our Baptist church members and pastors wrongly implicated by Robertson's actions," the church said.

New Zealand police reportedly launched an investigation into Mr Robertson but dropped the case on the basis there was no evidence to suggest he had committed any crimes.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-07/baptist-pastor-to-be-deported-for-harassing-mosque-worshippers/9953242

It would seem that Peter Dutton handled this situation as he should.

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A good decision by the Immigration Dept and Border Force, we don’t need Mr Robertson here stirring up hatred.
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Why is it if an adherent of Christianity does something socially improper, they are labelled "Fundamentalists" while a muslim doing something socially improper is labelled "Radicalised? http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

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Deport all the troublemakers (from both sides) keep Australia safe from the nutjobs. https://s6.postimg.cc/ao7ih2x3l/australian-flag.gif

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Much easier to deport a nut case "Christian" than a nutcase "Muslim" obviously. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Bills praise of Plod Dutton is conspicuously absent I notice. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

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I agree with this post, in principle, but it has to work both ways, if it's to be fair!
How come people who carry placards with "Death to unbelievers" "Behead all those that oppose Islam" and countless other slogans, sayings, or whatever, aren't deported for their garbage behaviour, (over and over?) Oh, that's right, they're followers of the Islamic faith, so they're okay!! Oops, my mistake! http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/mad.gif

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QUOTE (Phillip J. @ Jul 9 2018, 11:49 AM)
I agree with this post, in principle, but it has to work both ways, if it's to be fair!
How come people who carry placards with "Death to unbelievers" "Behead all those that oppose Islam" and countless other slogans, sayings, or whatever, aren't deported for their garbage behaviour, (over and over?) Oh, that's right, they're followers of the Islamic faith, so they're okay!!  Oops, my mistake! http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/mad.gif

yes if a Muslim cleric is warned not to antagonize Christians when he gets to Australia(from past behaviour), then he enters a church on Sunday morning and disrupts it and even tries to break down the doors of the church and the police r called in, he should be deported.
I don't think the Muslim community wouldn't stick up for him, just like the Baptist community here didn't stick up for that nutter. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/wink.gif

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QUOTE (scepo @ Jul 9 2018, 07:13 AM)
Much easier to deport a nut case "Christian" than a nutcase "Muslim" obviously.  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Bills praise of Plod Dutton is conspicuously absent I notice.  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif 

Hi scepo
I considered posting this story when it broke, but thought it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif Too easy mate. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

As for praising Plod ? Why ?

It had nothing to do with him. The cretin was here on a visa, contravened the conditions on his visa, was arrested by the Police, and thrown into Immigration Detention awaiting trial. That process is automatic and is standard DFAT practice. At least he'll have mates in ID. The largest nationality represented in Immigration Detention awaiting deportation are our cousins from across the ditch.

Take the trouble to click on the link Charles provided and listen to Plod's response. Nowhere does he claim any responsibility for the situation, nor does he even mention deportation. The Minister is limited in any intervention that he can make anyhow.

A bit of background may explain Plod's response.

http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_IMHO.png Dutton is trying to 'soften his image prior to the election. A swing of 1.6% against him would see him looking for a new job, and GetUp have raised over $250,000 in donations to specifically target Dutton in Dickson over his handling of Immigration and Refugee policy. $75 of that is mine courtesy of the recent government handout to pensioners. It went straight to GetUp. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

I always thought that Plod would find a safer seat before the next election, but no-one wants to make way for him apparently.

The latest IPSOS Poll, (not that I take any notice of them http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif ) seems to indicate that Plod will be in trouble regardless of GetUp's campaign.

States swing to Labor in grim poll for Turnbull

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/states-swing-to-labor-in-grim-poll-for-turnbull-20180708-p4zq8h.html

I'd be more inclined to give praise to Plod if he were to take responsibility for these cases where he does have the power to intervene.

1. The case of the man from Nauru, dying of cancer, currently receiving palliative care in Brisbane. Dutton opposed that but he has since been transferred. I can only assume that it was a departmental decision to transfer the patient to Brisbane, not Dutton's as he would have claimed it.

2. The long running case of the 10 year old girl on Nauru who has attempted suicide a number of times. She is finally receiving treatment in Brisbane also. The same reasoning applies. Nothing to do with Dutton or he would have claimed it.

3. The case of Nadesalingam and Priya and their daughters Dharuniga and Kopiga who have been placed into detention awaiting deportation. They've been in detention now for 125 days. Plenty of time for Plod to intervene if he was going to.
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So, if you will forgive me, I'll hold off on any 'Praise for Plod' submission until I can ascertain whether he has a heart or not. Doesn't look promising though, I must admit. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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QUOTE (Flin @ Jul 8 2018, 06:23 PM)
Why is it if an adherent of Christianity does something socially improper, they are labelled "Fundamentalists" while a muslim doing something socially improper is labelled "Radicalised?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Hi Flin

It could be that we are not comfortable with labeling Christian Fundamentalists as 'radicallised', as that would assume that there is a propensity for violent acts.

Christian Fundamentalists are just, (to badly borrow from the Life of Brian http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif ), naughty boys.

e.g. The kid who planned to undertake a mass shooting at an Adelaide Hils School, and Phillip Galea, (Reclaim Australia, awaiting trial), are just 'naughty boys not radicalized terrorists. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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I read elsewhere that this man "harassed" Muslims and was almost immediately deported!
In the same post, it was said, as a comparison, that four Pakistani brothers gang raped a 14 year old girl and they WEREN'T deported, and also, their identities were suppressed! If this is true, does that seem remotely fair?

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