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 Is 'Aboriginal' an Offensive Word?
charka
 Posted: Jul 3 2018, 07:30 AM
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Who exactly is upset be hard to put a name to them? Should be more upset about child rape and curable diseases allowed to run rampant
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 Posted: Jul 3 2018, 03:31 PM
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 Posted: Jul 3 2018, 07:09 PM
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"E'G. If you referred to my friend as an "Aboriginal" she would remove your head from your shoulders, such is her anger at the use of the term."

Well, that says a lot Bill - and you of all people are very quick to label members as 'Neo-Nazis' and 'White Supremacists' if they say anything that you deem is against your way of thinking, and to my knowledge, no one here has ever made a gesture like you have.

When the shoe is on the other foot it is Ok to 'remove your head from your shoulders' trash Western culture and scream abuse like a SJW.

Bill's comment reminds me of those who had signs demanding the beheadings of those who they claimed had insulted their prophet.


"To me, there are only two genders. Male and Female."

Don't get Bill started on that Phillip http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/wink.gif we now have an alphabet of 'genders'. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif



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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (Bill @ Jul 2 2018, 04:55 PM)
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The dictionary defines aboriginal as:
"adjective
inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists; indigenous."

What is offensive about that? The word is no more offensive than the alternative "indigenous". Both are titles that should be worn with pride.

Sadly the PC brigade are at it again - telling us what is and isn't offensive and trying to change history


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You may have inadvertently answered your own question Charles.

The use of the word 'aboriginal' as a NOUN is what most, (not all), Aboriginal People find offensive.

E'G. If you referred to my friend as an  "Aboriginal" she would remove your head from your shoulders, such is her anger at the use of the term. If you referred to her as an "Aboriginal Woman", she would wear that with pride, and regard your comment as a mark of your respect for her..

It is Garry Smith's right to question the redaction of his great grandmother's death certificate, but as Dr Tomison pointed out. The issue is more complex than just a case of Political Correctness.

Dr Tomison said he would consider giving the public more information about the redactions when they were buying extracts, but said the certificates were primarily a legal document.

"That's the first purpose and that's what the registrar is set up to do — record people's births, their deaths and their marriages," he said.

"I think on that basis their focus is going to be on recording the basic facts. They're not really set up as a genealogical society or anything like that."


It comes as no surprise that some people would see  the redactions as some sort of PC Brigade conspiracy as that suits their purpose.

My view is that the records should remain as recorded, as it demonstrates a truth about our colonial past, but where family members request copies of certificates, they should be made aware of the redactions that have taken place. It should then be the family members decision to include the redactions  - or not.

Here's an exercise for everyone. Every time you hear the term 'Aboriginal', ask yourself if the word is used as an adjective or a noun......and the adjective is never a 'plural'. (Aboriginals)  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif


There is no need for you to lecture on the use of adjectives as nouns Bill. It is a practice that has been used for decades.

The correct noun for a person of Aboriginal birth is Aborigine but, just as it has become acceptable to use adjectives such as Australian, American etc as a noun, so has the use of the adjective "Aboriginal" as a noun.

Would you object to being called an Australian, or do you require the addition of a noun (eg Australian male) for the word to become acceptable?

On the birth certificate the word "Aboriginal" was used as an adjective and it shouldn't be a word to be ashamed of or angry about.. On other forms, adjectives such as Chinese, Spanish, English might be used in the same manner.

In another post you wrote "Language, like social norms, change over time according to the wishes of contemporary society" yet here you are, criticising changes to the use of words that were originally designed as adjectives.




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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 04:53 PM
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The offend police at work centre link is not offensive though
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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 07:14 PM
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From my previous post:

The use of the word 'aboriginal' as a NOUN is what most, (not all), Aboriginal People find offensive

What part of that don't you guys understand ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

The use of the word as a noun was used as a form of abuse and vilification - ask anyone from the 'stolen generation' - generally shortened to 'abos'.

BTW the comment "If you referred to my friend as an "Aboriginal" she would remove your head from your shoulders, such is her anger at the use of the term" was rhetorical - as if you didn't know. I used it to demonstrate the depth of the anger felt by my friend. Some need to take it literally to justify why they should be the arbiters of what an aboriginal person finds offensive.


What gives you the right to decide whether my friend should find the term offensive or not - Oh I get it - You're white and you're entitled. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif I forgot - my mistake. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 07:33 PM
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"What gives you the right to decide whether my friend should find the term offensive or not - Oh I get it - You're white and you're entitled."

Here we go again http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif - now that sounds like an ABC kid's program Bill where they describe white men teleporting to Australia, I am sure Captain Cook would have preferred this means of transport, I hope that parents explain the truth. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

Bill, my wife has several members from the 'stolen generation' they would be offended with the term Abo, as to be expected. I have never heard them make anything of the words 'Aboriginal' or 'Aborigine'.

Maybe I should change my avatar to a polar bear.
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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 08:40 PM
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Would not the aboriginal have a racist view
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 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 09:40 PM
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Well Bill should I feel offended for being called a white c**t to my face? http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

I shrugged it off and moved on.

Silly me perhaps. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE (scepo @ Jul 5 2018, 09:40 PM)
Well Bill should I feel offended for being called a white c**t to my face?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif
I shrugged it off and moved on.
Silly me perhaps.  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif


It depends sceoo - do you identify as being a white c**t http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif ?

I would certainly be offended if I was referred to in that way. No offence btw. scepo. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif - but more for the last word than the first. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

Just as you and I can decide whether a reference is offensive to us, my friend has that same right - in her case it's based on many years of bad experiences.

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