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Charles
 Posted: May 14 2018, 09:42 AM
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If Australian businesses are robbing the Australian economy of such huge amounts by not paying taxes then why, in 6 years of ALP Government, wasn't something done Bill?

It's all very well to portray the current Government for failing to close taxation loopholes yet the ALP had their opportunity and failed to deliver. You may very well cite a hostile Senate, but I don't recall any serious efforts to introduce legislation aimed at what you see as a grave injustice.

And how much of this issue is a simple case of rich v poor? High profits often equate to increased employment and increased consumer confidence. Look nor further than the USA to see examples of this.

Sadly I feel your "us and them" thinking is an antiquated political stance. Your one-way critical offensive against anything and anyone right of your political view has become predictable and repetitive. At least the right wing members on this site have been open enough to condemn both sides of politics.

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 Posted: May 14 2018, 10:06 AM
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Hi Bill,
I have a very simple review when it comes to politics.
1. Bob Hawk , started the industrial shut down, people lost their jobs, start of raising unemployment.
2. Paul keating introduced the recession we had to have and 18 % plus morgage interest rates
3. John Howard increase consumer confidence, changed the taxation, housing market increase mining boom, money was plentiful, could go out for resturant meal and not worry about the cost. left Australia with 84 billion in bank
4 Rudd & Gillard both spent beyond Australia's means, left a mess on immigration. consumer confidence dropped, Unemployment rose, rudds knee jerk reactions failed in so many ways. wages dropped whilst living expense rose beyond many people affordability, including pensioners. Seld funded retiree's lost most of the super.
5 Abbott change the constant threat to boarder security thanks to Rudd & Gillards poor policy. Abbott re install consumer confidence and increased business activity.
6 Turnbull is just a failure
7 shorten is just a plan bloody lair, decetiful, hipocrit, bully and has no future plan for Australia.

So when I look at labor its a poor reflection. When I look at Liberal they apepar to have a better position for increasing wealth.

Unfortunately with Whitlam all I remember about him was being sacked.
with Fraser I recall wages taxes for the richers was at 75%. But I was just a young boy to teenager back then.


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 Posted: May 14 2018, 12:07 PM
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I don't suppose that anyone really wants to discuss the Morrison Budget or Bill Shortens response, do they ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

We could examine specifics and how they affect us all, or we could just slag off at Labor and attack me personally.

Changes to tax policy is politically volatile and that's why politicians of both persuasions are reluctant to move on it.

As an example News Ltd moved income offshore in 2012/2013 and the ATO was goin to the High Court to recover $892 Million in what it regarded as illegally avoided tax.

Enter the Abbott government and surprise, surprise, the case is dropped.

If News Ltd is still doing the same thing, and there's no reason for them not to, the ATO should be interested in approx. $4 Billion worth of suspect 'deductions.

Can you see the problem there for any government to move on News Ltd ?

Add to that the fact that 480 odd of our top companies paid NO TAX in Australia and imagine the amount of money that they could mobilise in an election campaign to protect their interests.

But you guys are happy to support these businesses with your vote - aren't you ?

There are times when I think that my ASD is the only reason I bother coming here. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

So.......do we discuss the Budget responses or don't we ? Up to you. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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 Posted: May 14 2018, 12:19 PM
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Hi Michael

Thanks for your contribution. You've opened a lot of topics in one post mate. I could debate them but it would take until Xmas and it's 'off topic' anyhow.

You are aware, I take it, that the national debt has almost doubled to over $500 Billion since the Abbott/Turnbull government came to power. They are hardly good economic managers. And there is still the $250 Billion of defence contracts on the pipeline that don't even make it to the Budget, for planes that don't fly and submarines that will be obsolete before we see them.

I never liked Hawke. His 'accord', while it had some benefits for the economy, sold worker out, and laid the groundwork for John Howards "Work Choices".

Maybe we can explore this further on another day. I have enough trouble keeping the guys 'on topic' as it is. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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 Posted: May 14 2018, 12:29 PM
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What response would that be Bill from Shorten, The man is grasping at straws. He can say what he likes or lie about what he likes in his case because he has no entitlement of being held to account. Or better still how about discussing how he lied to the people on the dual citizenship saga and now we have 5 more out, but Labor's vetting policy is right according to lair Bill. I still say that should all be charged with a making a false declaration and we abolish the right to renounce any dual citizenship.

The sooner they get rid of him the better it would be for Labor and they can move forward. I though Rudd was bad but this clown will destroy Australia.

As for Morrison I listen him on 3AW last Friday Afternoon, I think he is moving forward in the right direction, In the meantime the ABC is pissed because they can't get any more monies. Morrison also plans to wipe 185 billion of Australia debt level that a good plus in my book.


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QUOTE (Bill @ May 14 2018, 12:19 PM)
Hi Michael

Thanks for your contribution. You've opened a lot of topics in one post mate. I could debate them but it would take until Xmas and it's 'off topic' anyhow.

You are aware, I take it, that the national debt has almost doubled to over $500 Billion since the Abbott/Turnbull government came to power. They are hardly good economic managers. And there is still the $250 Billion of defence contracts on the pipeline that don't even make it to the Budget, for planes that don't fly and submarines that will be obsolete before we see them.

I never liked Hawke. His 'accord', while it had some benefits for the economy, sold worker out, and laid the groundwork for John Howards "Work Choices".

Maybe we can explore this further on another day. I have enough trouble keeping the guys 'on topic' as it is.  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif


Never said any were better than the other Bill, just my life review on how they affected me. On a personal level I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could kick them. In relation to the debt perhaps it would pay to check the debt clock, just be seated before you do, heart attacks aren't good for anyone.

Nothing wrong with good debate Bill, that's how we are suppose to get the right results. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif


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 Posted: May 14 2018, 01:25 PM
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"I don't suppose that anyone really wants to discuss the Morrison Budget or Bill Shortens response, do they?"

Discussing the Morrison Budget and Bill Shorten's response in the same breath is talking about facts and fairy tales.

Morrison's budget appears to be a rational, balanced strategy aimed to benefit middle Australia. Some of the economic management since 2013 has been questionable, but this budget makes a lot more sense than previous budgets.

As for Shorten's response, it is nothing more than to be expected. As soon as any party in Government delivers a budget the Opposition starts releasing statements outlining how they would have done better - especially with an election on the horizon. It's standard practice and, if elected, the promises quickly dissolve in a welter of excuses.

It would be refreshing if Shorten, or any other Leader of the Opposition in the past, had the courage to outline what they would do prior to a budget release. But then the budget might outdo their promises and they would have egg on their face.

In brief, a budget is about a plan and facts, an opposition response is about promises and fairy tales - no matter who is in power.

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As an example News Ltd moved income offshore in 2012/2013 and the ATO was goin to the High Court to recover $892 Million in what it regarded as illegally avoided tax.

Enter the Abbott government and surprise, surprise, the case is dropped.


"The Australian Tax Office wanted to challenge the claim but was overruled by the Federal Court of Appeal in July last year, the Australian Financial Review reported on Monday."

"“The ATO seeks external legal counsel opinion on the prospects of success for an appeal before making a decision."

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/feb/17/rupert-murdoch-receives-882m-tax-rebate

Isn't it amazing how an independent umpire is brow beaten by government.


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Isn't it amazing how an independent umpire is brow beaten by government.


Only if it is a LNP government lee. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/wink.gif

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