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 Posted: May 12 2018, 09:14 AM
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'Bill Shorten lies': Turnbull government attacks Labor's income tax plan.

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Bill Shorten after delivering his budget-in-reply speech on Thursday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen.

The Turnbull government has savaged Labor's income tax plan, branding Opposition Leader Bill Shorten a liar and arguing "his numbers don't add up".

In his budget-in-reply speech on Thursday night, Mr Shorten announced a Labor government would offer low and middle-income earners a tax cut of up to $928, almost doubling the relief offered by Treasurer Scott Morrison in Tuesday's budget.

The Opposition Leader also promised to pay down debt faster than the Coalition and boost funding for healthcare and TAFE by using money Labor banks as a saving by opposing the Coalition's tax cuts for large companies.

“We can afford to cut your taxes, without cutting services, because unlike the Liberals, we’re not wasting $80 billion on a discredited giveaway to the top end of town," Mr Shorten said on Thursday.
Labor estimates its tax cuts plan, costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office, sacrifices $5.8 billion in revenue over four years on top of the government plan, which costs $13.4 billion over four years.

But Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann and Treasurer Scott Morrison launched an attack on Mr Shorten, saying he is dishonest and Labor's numbers can't be trusted.

"They have not released any detail, no plan, no costings and they are spending the same money several times over," Senator Cormann told Sky News.

"You have got to remember, Bill Shorten has a track record now – a persistent track record – as a liar. Bill Shorten lies."

While the government has attacked Mr Shorten's character before, it is rare for senior MPs to call each other liars.


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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bill-shorten-lies-turnbull-government-attacks-labor-s-income-tax-plan-20180511-p4zena.html

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 Posted: May 12 2018, 10:05 AM
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Curlies marvellous tax plan is just as solid as his gold plated guarantee that all Labor MP's would pass the dual citizenship test. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Pathetic and laughable at the same time. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/laugh.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/laugh.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/laugh.gif

If ever there was a photo of a group of smug, useless, dead set losers, the one at the top of this story is it.

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 Posted: May 12 2018, 02:30 PM
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Unbelieve-a-Bill Billy's tax plan is not clever, all he is doing is using the $80 billion that the TB government set aside for company tax cuts to throw around buying votes.

Billy can not be trusted to manage our economy, we have all suffered because of the last two Labor governments and their wasteful spending, Labor can not control its spending, a vote for Labor is a vote for a massive blowout in debt.

As it is Morrison has raised Australia's debt ceiling to $600 billion, increasing the size of our credit limit - as debt continues to rise.
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 Posted: May 13 2018, 01:32 PM
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Quote from Bear:
all he is doing is using the $80 billion that the TB government set aside for company tax cuts to throw around buying votes.

So....you approve of the LNP giving $80 Billion to the big end of town, at the expense of hospitals, schools, the homeless, pensioners, the in(der)employed, carers, veterans.....well just virtually everyone else. Did I get that right ?

Curly has also flagged changes to Negative Gearing, Capital Gains tax concessions, Dividend Imputation etc. that only benefit the rich . You'd be against that too Bear - wouldn't you ? You won't get those changes from Trumble.

You can add about another $70 Billion to Curly's 'war chest', giving him $150 Billion worth of priority resets as the election gets closer.

Curly still may not win. There's always the chance that the Daily Terrorgraph will photo-shop Burly in flagrante delicto with a farm animal, or preferably a number of farm animals before the election.

It's not about vote buying - it's about setting priorities. Curly's priorities are about helping those less well off in our society, not the tax avoiding companies and individuals who stash their money in the Cayman Islands.

It never ceases to amaze me how poor people choose to vote for benefits for the rich, at the expense of their own interests - it's like turkeys voting for Xmas. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

But WTF - they stopped brown people from coming here on boats, so it's all good.
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 Posted: May 13 2018, 01:52 PM
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individuals who stash their money in the Cayman Islands.


Ah. The old canard about the Cayman Islands, with whom the ATO has an international Agreement to share tax data.

"Countries that have a tax information exchange agreement with Australia

Cayman Islands"

https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Access,-accountability-and-reporting/In-detail/Privacy-notices/Privacy-policy/?page=4

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If the big end of town are avoiding paying tax by stashing their money in the Cayman Islands how will lowering the tax rate benefit them? 38% of nothing is equal to 25% of nothing isn't it? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Curlies priorities are about appealing to masses with massive doses of misinformation. Turnbulls aren't much better.

If their are no rich people, there are no entrepreneurs therefore everything grinds to a halt and everyone is worse off.

I cannot understand the tunnel visioned, narrow minded, "them and us" attitude that causes people to virtually cut off their nose to spite their face. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

So now stopping the boats was/is all about skin colour? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

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 Posted: May 13 2018, 03:18 PM
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Wong and co no documents we have a right to know
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 Posted: May 13 2018, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (scepo @ May 13 2018, 03:09 PM)
If the big end of town are avoiding paying tax by stashing their money in the Cayman Islands how will lowering the tax rate benefit them? 38% of nothing is equal to 25% of nothing isn't it?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

Curlies priorities are about appealing to masses with massive doses of misinformation. Turnbulls aren't much better.

If their are no rich people, there are no entrepreneurs therefore everything grinds to a halt and everyone is worse off.

I cannot understand the tunnel visioned, narrow minded, "them and us" attitude that causes people to virtually cut off their nose to spite their face. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

So now stopping the boats was/is all about skin colour?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

What next I ask?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif


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 Posted: May 13 2018, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (scepo @ May 13 2018, 03:09 PM)
If the big end of town are avoiding paying tax by stashing their money in the Cayman Islands how will lowering the tax rate benefit them? 38% of nothing is equal to 25% of nothing isn't it?  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif  http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif
Curlies priorities are about appealing to masses with massive doses of misinformation. Turnbulls aren't much better.
If their are no rich people, there are no entrepreneurs therefore everything grinds to a halt and everyone is worse off.
I cannot understand the tunnel visioned, narrow minded, "them and us" attitude that causes people to virtually cut off their nose to spite their face. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

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Hi scepo

stashing their money in the Cayman Islands was a 'catch all' phrase for those who move their income around to avoid paying tax where it is earned. My legal team and the editors are having the weekend off http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif .

massive doses of misinformation - could you elaborate of specific instances in his Budget Reply where he indulged in massive doses of misinformation - I must have missed that part. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

If their are no rich people, there are no entrepreneurs

Do you remember the example I gave of someone I knew who paid no tax from his business on revenue of $7 Million ( 2015/2016 financial year), because he didn't have to ?

Well.....It's an expanding Award winning business doing consultancy work for the Mining Industry and Government Departments, (State and Federal). Revenue for the 2016/2017 financial year was $14.5 Million. And yes again, I know that 'revenue' doesn't equal income, but nothing has changed on the tax front either.

To be fair he employs a staff of 81, so some of them may be paying tax, but as we all know, paying tax is 'optional', so that's not a given. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

Is that fair ? Do you support that arrangement ?

More importantly, would you vote for a policy to change this man's advantaged position ?

He's not the only one using the tax system like this. All businesses have the option of paying tax or not paying tax. It depends on what lengths they are prepared to go to in order to achieve that result.

If you think that businesses will automatically become good citizens and pay their fair share of tax to benefit the communities in which they operate, you are being very naïve scepo. Their only operating motive is profit. Nothing else matters......and yes lee - there are exceptions to the rule.( My editor told me to say that. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif )

If you don't understand that, then you deserve to be screwed over by them.

Businesses that avoid tax by using elaborate paper trails to off shore their income rob the Australian economy of around $150 Billion (ATO Estimates) annually in lost revenue.

But you'll still vote for the Business Representatives Government of Abbott/Turnbull. Right ?

Why ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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 Posted: May 14 2018, 07:26 AM
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Yet bill wishes to thieve cash off peope who have saved and payed tax SHAME To finance a word giveaway to people that hate us Both here and abroad Bishop is no better or malcome
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