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scepo
 Posted: Jul 5 2018, 09:50 PM
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Well, holy snapping duckshit!!!!

Not only is the leftist Fauxfax bagging Curly, the bloody Garbage Bin has joined in the act as well. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

Just proves that Curly is on the nose in his own ranks.

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 Posted: Jul 6 2018, 12:32 AM
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From lee:

Oh no; the guardian.

Even before I looked I knew who wrote that piece lee. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

The wonderful Katharine Murphy, (with two 'A's'), is the Guardian's Turnbull apologist. She writes op-ed pieces to try to keep the advertisers on side. That's her job - as it was when she worked at Fairfax.

Her op-ed pieces are rarely open for comments, except when she criticizes Abbott, but it's mostly 'puff pieces' supporting Lord Truffles, or articles suggesting Albo is waiting to pounce on Curly.

You should read more of Katharine on the Guardian lee. She will give you hope that all is well in the LNP camp, and Lord Truffles sits on the right hand of god.

I've seen an analysis of hers on a poll that headlined Lord Truffles lead in the PPM (Preferred Prime Minister) poll, and completely ignored the fact that the 2PP was Labor - 53%, LNP -47%. The comments were inadvertently left open for an hour and the proletariat savaged her.
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 Posted: Jul 6 2018, 06:07 AM
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"Lord Truffles"????? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

Can't you do better than that Bill?

He's a staunch bloody Republican, not a Monarchist.





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The wonderful Katharine Murphy, (with two 'A's'), is the Guardian's Turnbull apologist. She writes op-ed pieces to try to keep the advertisers on side. That's her job - as it was when she worked at Fairfax.



The Garbage Bins token "conservative" eh?


All our left leaning media occasionally make a token attempt to appear unbiased. It may fool some, but not too many of us. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

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 Posted: Jul 6 2018, 09:59 AM
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All our left leaning media occasionally make a token attempt to appear unbiased. It may fool some, but not too many of us.

At least Bill is incapable of making even a token effort to appear unbiased. Other FDNC have expressed contempt for both parties and leaders on various occasions - but not our Bill! http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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 Posted: Jul 6 2018, 02:46 PM
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Katharine is not a 'token conservative' at all. Her job is to ensure that the advertisers don't boycott the Guardian.

Any study of her 'contributions' of op-ed pieces would reveal that she's very good at it. Only occasionally does she slip up.

As for Charle's allusion to my apparent lack of 'evenhandedness' regarding criticism of both parties.....

At least Bill is incapable of making even a token effort to appear unbiased. Other FDNC have expressed contempt for both parties and leaders on various occasions - but not our Bill

The evidence seems to indicate that there is not a lot of negativity apparent in the operations of those operating on the left of the political spectrum that is not manufactured by their opponents...…..

…...while the conservative side of politics seem to lurch from one diabolical brain fart to another on a daily basis.

I give you:
1. Individual tax cuts that benefit the well off.
2. Ccorporate tax cuts that benefit the tax avoiders.
3. The latest 'magic pudding' GST redistribution that isn't. (It's actually a Federal Government 'top up' for the up-coming election). All up a destruction of the Federal revenue base totaling approximately $250 BILLION. Who do you think is going to pay for that ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

Add that to the dubious decision making process of nearly $300 BILLION worth of 'defence contracts' that this government has signed up to and we have a structural deficit that Howard and Costello could only dream about. Someone has to pay for that, and guess who that's going to be ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

Meanwhile, the MSM is pushing the idea that Labor's house is in disorder and there is a potential leadership spill around every corner.


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I could post a half dozen stories every day pointing out the incompetence, hypocrisy, and disunity in the conservative ranks, but there is not a lot of point to that. You guys need to have some thing to cling to - even if it's an illusion. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif .

Tony Abbott won't be making a comeback btw and, after the election later this year, there is every likelihood that PHONY will only have one member (Pauline), the A.L.A. will have none and Cory's Conservatives will just consist of him - . http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

Politics is ….interesting.....not even handed. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif



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They better keep Bill Shorten. The voters have come to expect "Bottom of the gene pool barrel" leaders from all the political parties in Australia. It is now considered one of our birth-rights. http://s7.postimg.cc/j7qtvsrc7/sarcasm.gif

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I think it all went down hill after we missed out on 'Big Kim' and got the little egotist KRuddy Flin.

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I give you:
1. Individual tax cuts that benefit the well off. I suppose there is absolutely no benefit for lower and middle income Australians!
2. Ccorporate tax cuts that benefit the tax avoiders. How can tax cuts benefit anyone who is avoiding tax? In case you hadn't noticed, Donald Trump's tax cuts to businesses have resulted in job creation, a boost in consumer confidence and benefits passed on to employees.
3. The latest 'magic pudding' GST redistribution that isn't. (It's actually a Federal Government 'top up' for the up-coming election). All up a destruction of the Federal revenue base totaling approximately $250 BILLION. Who do you think is going to pay for that ? No it isn't a redistribution as you well know. The other states would never allow it. It is a top-up to address the gross GST injustice that WA has endured for years. Who pays for the states that receive more than 100 cents in their GST dollar?

Add that to the dubious decision making process of nearly $300 BILLION worth of 'defence contracts' that this government has signed up to and we have a structural deficit that Howard and Costello could only dream about. Someone has to pay for that, and guess who that's going to be?
We agree on one thing. Excessive spending on defence is a worry.

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QUOTE (Bill @ Jul 6 2018, 03:37 PM)
I think it all went down hill after we missed out on 'Big Kim' and got the little egotist KRuddy Flin.


I second that statement. Both sides of politics are sadly lacking in politicians whose vision extends beyond the next election.

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Hi Charles
Thanks for your reply some agreement and some need for clarification. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

QUOTE (Charles @ Jul 6 2018, 04:11 PM)
I give you:
1. Individual tax cuts that benefit the well off. I suppose there is absolutely no benefit for lower and middle income Australians!

Low and middle income earners are much better off under Curly's 'alternative' tax cut - almost double the return. Those over $120/yr not so much. If we are going to do comparisons, we should look  at both policies, not just the government's tax cuts in isolation.

2. Ccorporate tax cuts that benefit the tax avoiders. How can tax cuts benefit anyone who is avoiding tax? In case you hadn't noticed, Donald Trump's tax cuts to businesses have resulted in job creation, a boost in consumer confidence and benefits passed on to employees.

It's more complicated than that Charles. e.g. the big four banks major shareholders (see Who owns the Banks on FDNC) are about 47% owned by foreign companies who run their businesses through tax havens.
As for Trumps 'tax cuts' resulting in a boost in consumer confidence, that's debatable. Most economic activity changes take at least 18 months to take effect and there are many who attribute the boost to the U.S. economy to decisions of the Obama administration not the Trump administration. The 'benefits' passed on to employees don't seem to be attributed to Trump, but I am willing to listen to any evidence to the contrary.

3. The latest 'magic pudding' GST redistribution that isn't. (It's actually a Federal Government 'top up' for the up-coming election). All up a destruction of the Federal revenue base totaling approximately $250 BILLION. Who do you think is going to pay for that ?  No it isn't a redistribution as you well know. The other states would never allow it. It is a top-up to address the gross GST injustice that WA has endured for years. Who pays for the states that receive more than 100 cents in their GST dollar?

At least we are agreed it's not a redistribution Charles.  http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif The reason that I referred to it as a 'magic pudding' measure is that there are no details of how much this 'top up' is going to cost, and the time frame for delivery. It looks to me like it's one of Morrison's 'pre-election non-core promises- and that's why I think they will go before Xmas - before it becomes obvious that it's just something they are 'floating'.

Add that to the dubious decision making process of nearly $300 BILLION worth of 'defence contracts' that this government has signed up to and we have a structural deficit that Howard and Costello could only dream about. Someone has to pay for that, and guess who that's going to be? We agree on one thing. Excessive spending on defence is a worry.


It's not just the 'defence spending' that's the problem Charles - it's the 'structural deficit that Morrisonj is introducing to the Federal Government's revenue base.

If none of these 'tax cuts' were proposed, most people wouldn't notice and wouldn't care. The miniscule amounts being proposed for low/middle income earners will make stuff all difference to their day to day existence.

$300 Billion spent on things like Hospitals, Schools, the NDIS, a proper fibre optics NBN that only a few fortunate people have, support for the homeless, mental health support for our veterans. refuges and support for victims of domestic violence etc., etc., will make a huge difference

In short almost everything that reasonable people accept as necessary for a compassionate and caring society. We could have all of that - every four years.....or we could give tax cuts to people who don't need it.

As Curly says every day - it about priorities. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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