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 Universities Stifling Free Speech
Bill
 Posted: Dec 31 2017, 06:59 PM
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Bjorn Lomborg isn't a climate change denier. He has simply challenged the amounts of money spent on talkfests, research and international agreements when, in his opinion, that money could be better spent on other concerns.

You are familiar with the term obfuscation, are you Charles ? http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

Obfuscation: is the obscuring of the intended meaning of communication by making the message difficult to understand, usually with confusing and ambiguous language.

Bjorn Lomborg is a serial obfuscator who makes a living out of 'speaking tours' lecturing climate change deniers.

When Abbott's offer of $4 million was unable to be delivered. the Australian Dept. of 'Education'. wrote out a cheque for around $160,000 payable to Lomborg's Consensus Centre in Denmark.

Obfuscation has it's own rewards apparently.

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 Posted: Dec 31 2017, 07:17 PM
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Well, they don't promote critical thinking, because they don't promote free speech. They must be glorified trade training centres, Doctors are a trade group, a specialised trade group, but a trade group  nevertheless. Social Scientists seem to be some kind of underclass, not really scientists. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/tongue.gif
An Emeritus professor of Social Science recently wrote a letter to the editor expounding the 97% consensus. A respondent cited the Cook et al (2013) study and quoted part of the abstract.
"We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."
It was pointed out that 97.1% of 32.6% was not 97% of climate scientists, let alone all scientists.


I'm just guessing here lee, but I'm sure that if you provided a citation as to the article you mention and the name of the Emeritus professor of Social Science who is responsible for the quote you posted, I could participate in a proper discussion as to the relevance of the Emeritus professor of Social Science ability/qualifications/or motivation for his/her view.

It looks to me like the Emeritus professor of Social Science has indulged in a classic example of 'cherry picking' data from statistics to arrive at a desired outcome.

I'll await further informat5ion at your leisure. Happy New Year lee. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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 Posted: Dec 31 2017, 08:01 PM
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Bill said:
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I'm just guessing here lee, but I'm sure that if you provided a citation as to the article you mention and the name of the Emeritus professor of Social Science who is responsible for the quote you posted,


Actually the Emeritus Professor of Social Science, from University of Adelaide claimed the 97% consensus.

The respondent provided a part of the abstract from Cook et al (2013).
Sorry forgot the link -

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

Environmental Research Letters, Volume 8, Number 2

The respondent also pointed out that 97.1% of 32.6% was not 97% of climate scientists let alone all scientists.

Sorry for any confusion.

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It looks to me like the Emeritus professor of Social Science has indulged in a classic example of 'cherry picking' data from statistics to arrive at a desired outcome.


Sorry that would be the respondent. And the quote was direct from the John Cook paper.John Cook is head of Skeptical Science. John Cook is a research assistant professor at the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University,

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Hi Bill, it is still my opinion that free speech is being stifled in many of our educational institutions. There are many who would disagree with me, as is their right. There is also a lot of social pressure being applied to those who do not agree with the current “progressive” mantra. From where I sit, it looks a lot like the “education” which went on in Maoist China and such totalitarian countries, or even, dare I say, currently in North Korea.
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Hi Bill ... and Happy New Year to you (and all other FDNC members).

You continue to attack Bjorn Lomborg (and Tony Abbott) yet fail to comment on the current trends in Universities that stifle free speech and critical thinking.

On the topic of Bjorn Lomborg I would point out that he has been named in Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world and that his published books include such thought provoking titles as "How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place".

Instead of accusing him of obfuscation, perhaps you should consider the merits of some of his writing (provided below).

"When it comes to the Paris agreement, even the best case scenarios promise tiny improvements at too high a cost."

"Predicting the apocalypse doesn't help build a realistic, sensible strategy."

"Green energy needs new ideas to drive down prices, which means investing in serious R & D."


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Bjorn+Lomborg

Getting back to the main topic of this thread - "Universities Stifling Free Speech" - I await your contribution to this topic.
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Good luck with that Charles.

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"How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place".

We have a different book in Australia written by Kevin Rudd.

"How to waste $50 Billion to make an obsolete broadband network"

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 Posted: Jan 1 2018, 11:04 AM
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It looks to me like the Emeritus professor of Social Science has indulged in a classic example of 'cherry picking' data from statistics to arrive at a desired outcome.


Yes. The alarmist mantra rules over all. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/tongue.gif

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 Posted: Jan 1 2018, 03:53 PM
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Getting back to the main topic of this thread - "Universities Stifling Free Speech" - I await your contribution to this topic.

Hi Charles

It may have skipped your attention, but I didn't respond to your OP, only to your subsequent post regarding Bjorn Lomborg, and John Geary. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

I didn't comment on Gemmas opinion piece - she's entitled to have an opinion - that's what 'free speech' is all about. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

. The fact that Gemma chose to base her opinion piece on an IPA (Institute of Public Affairs research paper is significant, so her conclusions are not surprising. I'll bet, without checking http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif , that Gemma is a regular opinion writer for Rupert's UnAustralian.

I only chose to comment when you opened the discussion up to include Bjorn Lomborg and John Geary.

John Geary is now retired, but in his working life he was an advocate of the gas fracking industry, so he has always had a dog in the fight regarding climate change. No surprises there. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

I hope that's cleared things up - scepo will be pleased that I took the trouble to respond. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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he was an advocate of the gas fracking industry, so he has always had a dog in the fight regarding climate change.


How does fracking for gas affect climate change as opposed to normal drilling for gas?

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