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[Bill]

QUOTE (Charles @ Jan 2 2018, 05:48 PM)

"Only if you have any faith in any 'research' done by the Institute of Public Affairs maaaate.      I don't." Believe what suits your poltical bias and reject anything that doesn't. A rather blinkered view!

Believe what suits your poltical bias and reject anything that doesn't.

And that Charles is the prevailing view of the majority of FDNC members - hadn't you noticed.

It begins with the stories posted for comment that have anything to do with politics or social issues.

They come from within the bubble, and the comments only tend to reinforce a prevailing view, with no attempt to, maybe, understand and explore why a situation may exist, and maybe offer up some solutions based on our members life experiences.

The 'solutions' don't have to be correct or even workable, but the end result is that we will have had a conversation.

The topic on the Sudanese gangs is a prime example of what I'm talking about.

As soon as I saw Turnbull on TV going on about the Sudanese gangs, I thought.....any moment now, and Bear will post something about the APEX gangs taking over the country. No offence Bear, but you know that.

Obviously the situation in Victoria needs to be addressed but to suggest that the problem exists just in the Sudanese community is just wrong.

Go to the City of Logan (south of Brisbane) and the same problems exist - except there it is the Pacific Islander youth who are running amok.

We won't get those conversations going if we continue to base those conversations on "what suits our poltical bias and reject anything that doesn't"

It's really up to the members whether they want to have conversations or just want FDNC to be a venue to have a rant. Doesn't matter to me either way, but my preferred option is to engage in a conversation.

[Charles]

A well written post Bill, but one that is at odds with your modus operandi.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the contributors to FDNC are often critical of governments of either political persuasion whereas I have yet to read anything from you critical of the Left side of politics.

You cite the story of Sudanese gangs as a prime example of "the prevailing view of the majority of FDNC members" yet it is a thread that I and others haven't commented on.

You seem to enjoy portraying yourself as FDNC's lone voice supporting one political stance but, in so doing, you make sweeping statements about the other members without acknowledging any originality of thought and individual views they might hold.

Practise what you preached in your last post and you might be regarded with some credibility rather than a left wing supporter who attempts to discredit as you have done in this thread. I'm talking about you insinuating the author of the original piece was in some way a Rupert Murdock lacky, that Bjorn Lomborg is a climate change denier and that John Geary's views on free speech in Universities should be disregarded because he was once employed in the mining industry. This isn't "conversation", it's an all too prevalent tactic used by so called "progressives" to label and name-call all who disagree with them.

[lee]

QUOTE (Bill @ Jan 2 2018, 03:41 PM)

Only if you have any faith in any 'research' done by the Institute of Public Affairs maaaate. I don't.

Perhaps if it had been released by the Grattan Institute?

[Bear]

"As soon as I saw Turnbull on TV going on about the Sudanese gangs, I thought.....any moment now, and Bear will post something about the APEX gangs taking over the country. No offence Bear, but you know that."

I post on a range of topics Bill, you only focus on the few posts that you disagree with like a true social justice warrior.

Where did I say; "the APEX gangs taking over the country."

I stand by what I have said in regards to this topic.

This paragraph from Charles's original post certainly speaks for itself - a well written piece, it is a shame that students are being brainwashed into a way of acting and thinking, I would rather they learnt to be themselves and form their own opinions - this can only be achieved via 'free speech'.

While positions are held by those with far left socialist views students will continue to have their 'intellectual freedom' restricted.

Many subjects have been infiltrated with social issues, social justice being the most obvious...

[charka]

We saw that with ssm